Re: [-empyre-] Re: Eugenics



ryan,

i wasn't making that assumption at all, rather that if others are silent and unprepared to speak and explain why a proposition is wrong, then we, or at least more specifically I have no reason to care...

As for the texts it's true they are european texts from across the social and political sprectrum...

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Ryan Griffis wrote:


With all due respect,
i think to assume that no one here has read any history of Eugenics is a big assumption. It's also a rather large assumption to delineate Eugenics as a hermetically defined enterprise.
i admit not reading the texts that you point to - and will certainly look them up (thanks for the recommendations!)- but CAE's text served as a convenient link to a text available on the fly for the purpose of the list - not a monolithic account of eugenics (there are plenty of archives for that). Perhaps my response is one very rooted in a US context, but the US is a context in which eugenics has historically had some weight.
Maybe if Steve could elaborate on how these texts counter balance the assertion of a second wave of eugenics?
But, i'm also not so sure why Osborn should be so quickly dismissed, being that he had such a prominent impact on the American Eugenics Society (among other aspects of domestic and foreign policy) and how eugenics was conceived and conceptualized in the US. Hardly representative of an insignificant source of power.
The conception of eugenics, by Osborn and others like Rockefeller, was expanded to include spatial and environmental planning that continue today, and operate in market and state apparatuses. Genetics controlled by the creation of favorable or unfavorable conditions in which rational people choose to or choose not to raise children. Geographer Ruth Gilmore Wilson talks about "organized abandonment" as an implicit policy in the US that approximates the same goals - goals that were more than clearly evident in the Gulf coast events of Hurricane Katrina.
Again, the judges enforcing the use of Norplant in mothers charged with child abuse or requesting welfare didn't consider themselves eugenicists.
i guess what i'm trying to communicate is that "eugenics" should not be considered as a clearly delineated set of historical values, as even the eugenics movement in its prime was divided by competing ideas. All those fields don't need to be collapsed back into some turn of the century program to understand how they come together in various instances in ways that certainly resemble eugenics broadly, if not carry out a very similar set of policies. But also to recognize that not all such investigations and inquiries inevitably lead to eugenics either. i don't care if it's called "eugenics" or not, but the policies in place that i've described in a very simplified manner, as well as what the more positive form of reproductive health (ART) enables, certainly bear the historical weight of the histories of eugenics.
The reality of the situation is not so cut and dry as to say "what WAS being engaged in within the field of eugenics". i mean, the reproductive rights movement (via Sanger) was caught up in the eugenics movement... do i think Planned Parenthood is a eugenicist organization? no.
It seems as if Steve is dismissing the practice of positive eugenics as ideological? Is not the technological selection of biology exactly this - when that selection can't help but be ideological? Why does the selection of biological traits in any way change the political situation? If non-heterosexuality is proven to be biological does that close off the argument of their rights? Both sides use its "naturalness" to argue for inalienable rights on the one hand and it's medical treatment on the other. While others ask why they can't change their love interests without changing their access to rights - who cares if it's biology or desire?
Since i mentioned Sekula earlier, i recently reread his older account of the parallel rise of photographic evidence and statistics in "The Body and the Archive" noticing his reading of the difference that can occur within larger techno-social paradigms that doesn't require such an easy collapse of any singular instance - the new methods of statistics were used by both reformist and conservative forces arguing the still lingering fight over nature or nurture. Most importantly, neither side argued over the existence of (or place for) the "criminal".
best,
ryan


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